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Supreme Court set to hear case on how far constitutional rights extend outside U.S.

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I am not very familiar with the specifics of the case, who was at fault and why, and although the loss of the family’s son is indeed a tragedy, I cringe when I see headlines like this!

How in the world could anybody, including lawyers and judges, interpret the Unites States’ Constitution, amendments, and rights to be applicable outside of our borders and more specifically, applicable to non-US citizens!  I’ll take it a step further…even illegal aliens in this country illegally!

I am not schooled in law, thank God, but cases like this just boggle the average American’s mind!  Does it have something to do with the liberal position of globalism and open borders?  Do we think that Mexico or any other country in the world would do the same for an American seeking redress in their courts?  Really?

But in my gut, I can see our Supreme Court screwing this one up too, just as it has done with many other cases.  Will it be Justice Kennedy or Justice Roberts who swing the vote to the left this time because as we know, the left rarely swings right when the case being argued is constitutionally sound.


Supreme Court justices will grapple Tuesday with how far American constitutional protections extend outside the U.S. as they hear oral arguments on a case that saw a Border Patrol agent fire his gun into Mexico, which struck and killed a 15-year-old boy.

Agent Jesus Mesa Jr. said the boy and his friends were throwing rocks as they tried to sneak into the U.S. in 2010.

The family of Sergio Adrian Hernandez Guereca said the teens were only playing a game where they would run up to touch the fence on the U.S. side of the border in El Paso, Texas, before running back into Juarez, Mexico.

Now the family wants permission to sue Agent Mesa for damages, saying he violated their son’s Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights.

Should the family prevail, it could spark more uncertainty in how far constitutional rights extend.

“I think it could be a very significant ruling, but again, it would just mean more lawsuits, more legal uncertainty,” said Andrew Kent, a professor at Fordham University’s School of Law.

The case comes at a time when federal courts are already grappling with who has constitutional protections in light of President Trump’s extreme vetting executive order.

Several courts have ruled that immigrants, both legal and illegal, and even visitors who came to the U.S. but have since left, can claim U.S. constitutional rights — a finding that immigration crackdown advocates say breaks with decades of precedent.

In the border case, Agent Mesa was cleared by the Justice Department for the shooting. That probe found that “smugglers attempting an illegal border crossing hurled rocks from close range at [Agent Mesa,] who was attempting to detain a suspect.”

The department said Agent Mesa didn’t break Border Patrol policies on use of force. The agent is still on the job today.

Mexico indicted Agent Mesa on murder charges, but the U.S. refuses to extradite him.

The Hernandez family argued that Mr. Mesa violated their son’s Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights under the U.S. Constitution by killing him, but the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that those rights don’t extend to noncitizens outside the U.S.

The family says a 2008 case involving war on terrorism suspects being held at the Guantanamo Bay prison established that even noncitizens have constitutional rights, and violations can be considered, based on the totality of the circumstances.

Agent Mesa’s lawyers, though, point to a 1990 case, which ruled those outside the U.S. don’t have constitutional protections against searches and seizures.

Mr. Kent, who has been observing the case, said the decision may come down to Justice Anthony M. Kennedy’s swing vote.

“Justice Kennedy is a pretty strong believer that [with] the Constitution, there shouldn’t be a bright line rule that it shouldn’t apply in any given place,” said Mr. Kent.

Justice Kennedy argued for that point in the 2008 Boumediene v. Bush case that granted habeas rights to prisoners at Guantanamo.

“He believes that pretty strongly, and I think the four liberal justices will support him on that,” said Mr. Kent.

Mr. Kent said the Hernandez family could win its claim that the boy’s rights were violated, but still lose their demand that the federal government be responsible for monetary damages.

Agent Mesa’s lawyers said in their briefs that the 15-year-old boy had been twice arrested by U.S. border authorities for alien smuggling, but both times had been released back into Mexico because of his juvenile status.


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  1. Old Jim February 21, 2017 at 8:08 AM -  Reply

    A 15 year old ‘playing a game of touching the border fence’…

    The Border Patrol was within their rights to protect themselves from stoning…
    … the question of bringing stones to a gun fight remain one for late nite’s Stephen Colbert.

  2. Angus Rangus February 21, 2017 at 8:17 AM -  Reply

    NO ILLEGAL ALIEN has any ‘rights’… they do not have the permission of their home nation to be here – and none from the US for criminal trespass.

    What is abhorrent is not deporting immediately…
    … and allow all the lawyering they can pay for from the safety of their home nation!!

    Consider HOW BAD IS IT??

    950,000 ICE CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIEN Felon immediate deportation orders …
    … versus just 11 million total Illegal Aliens = 8.64% felon criminality rate.

    2 million jailed Americans vs 300 million total population = 0.66 felon criminality rate.

    The Illegal Aliens are 13 TIMES AS CRIMINAL as our average Americans…

    … hitting the top of the 3 – 20 times ratio for all of the nations south of our border excepting Chile – which has presented no publicized Illegal Alien problem for us??

    Perhaps this case will finally read the US Constitution as it is written to debunk that ‘anchor baby’ bullshat… ‘coming within the jurisdiction thereof’ sure seems to say you be an American citizen only when you got parents that were??

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